St. Augustine Distillery

Drew H (00:00):
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(01:06):
Augustine from New Orleans. I'm doing it in one day. It's a long drive, actually got through with the interview at seven Three Distillery and got right in the car and heading all the way to Lake City. And Lake City is a good eight hours away, well, seven hours away, but at an hour for the time change that you have to go through. And I normally don't try to promote these kinds of breakneck trips if I can help it. I would rather you enjoy your trips when you go. I'm trying to hit five distilleries, 1700 miles in four days, and I am going to do it, but I am also going to miss New Orleans. I'm also missing Birmingham. Now I am going to be missing out on St. Augustine as well, which is a town that when I was a kid I had some curiosity about because we always passed it by my aunt lived in Florida and we would drive down I 95 and I'd see the signs for it, heard the stories upon still Leone as I got older, the idea of the Fountain of Youth and what's this all about.

(02:09):
And then I started doing research for the lost history of Tennessee whiskey and there was talks about the British having a fortress there and all of this sort of stuff. So there's a lot of stuff that draws my interest to St. Augustine, but unfortunately this trip is not going to be the one where I'm going to get a chance to enjoy it. But I am going to invite you into the St. Augustine Distillery. Richard Deman Mullen, the head distiller has walked me around the distillery and we spent a good two hours just chatting about things. And I have made a promise to myself that in the future I'm going to start having microphones to carry around with us whenever I'm talking with a distiller because we had some real golden nuggets in there in our conversation. And we'll cover some of that in our interview here, but this is a much more condensed version of it. And so like to introduce you to the head distiller of St. Augustine Distillery, Richard Damont Mullen. And I want to learn a little bit about that name. Give me sort of the background, Richard, if you could.

Richard (03:11):
Damont Mullen? Yes.

Drew H (03:12):
Okay. It's

Richard (03:13):
Old French name. We're actually a Swiss family from Western Switzerland, and it literally means of the mill on the mountain.

Drew H (03:20):
Okay.

Richard (03:21):
So it's fancy Miller, if you want to think about it that way. There you

Drew H (03:23):
Go.

Richard (03:23):
Yeah.

Drew H (03:24):
Well, it kind of works. Your grains are going to have to come from somewhere. Right,

Richard (03:27):
Exactly.

Drew H (03:29):
The question is, do you know whether you have any millers in your family history?

Richard (03:34):
So I don't know that, but I do know that we have winemakers in my family. I actually got the joy to go visit 'em a couple of years back, went to New Chattel Switzerland, which is just kind of northeast of Geneva or Geneve as they say over there. It was beautiful. It really kind connected me to what I do now professionally to see that that's been in my family for a long time.

Drew H (04:00):
And now you, when you first started with St. Augustine, you were not actually a distiller?

Richard (04:07):
No, I was a hobbyist. I would say it's, it's been a long journey, but yeah, I thankfully would say that I made really excellent whiskey in my kitchen at the time, if I can say that. But

Drew H (04:21):
Statute of limitations is run out,

Richard (04:24):
But the ownership here has taken great faith in me, and I'm so thankful for them for taking the leap because sometimes talent without development can be a bit of a risk. But these guys really saw something in me and they've given me every tool I need to make the best of it. Yeah, I'm really proud of what we achieved already.

Drew H (04:42):
What were you doing Just before?

Richard (04:44):
I was actually working in a brewery. I had sold my business and I actually had a foot surgery that put me off of my foot for several months, and I found out that I needed this foot surgery by working in the brewery. I was dragging these big pallets around and my ankle swelled up really big. And long story short, I was about a month and a half off of my foot and the CEO here, Phil McDaniel High Phil, he called me up one day and said, Hey, let's get breakfast. And I hobbled my way out of the house for the first time in over a month and met him for breakfast. And he told me about the opportunity here and I thought about it and then just couldn't say no. It was a chance to take it to the next level. Yeah.

Drew H (05:24):
So did you think when you moved here that you were going to hit that fountain of youth?

Richard (05:28):
I hope so, but I think the opposite has happened. I got a lot more gray after I moved here.

Drew H (05:33):
Yeah, this is the thing. St. Augustine, I've passed by it a million times, but never actually stopped in, but I've always been curious about it. And the story of Elli Leon as a history fan called the oldest city in America. I'm always never one for oldest claims, but it goes pretty far back.

Richard (05:54):
I'll make the addendum there. It was 1565, but the correct way that we say it is the oldest continuously inhabited city in the nation. So here's where the rub happens. Pensacola, Florida will get very angry at us making this quote because Pensacola was actually founded two years before.

Speaker 3 (06:11):
So

Richard (06:12):
Augustine, however, it was not continuously inhabited. It was abandoned for several years, which is why we get to take the crown, and I know they're going to be mad at us for saying that, but we are the official oldest city in the nation. Nice,

Drew H (06:25):
Nice. Yeah. So this building that you're in is a fascinating building and we walked around, did a little tour ahead of time and so many things to talk about actually about just this building and its past. But kind of give us the brief snapshot view of what was this building before it became a distillery?

Richard (06:52):
Sure. So originally this building was built in between 1903 and 1907. We don't know exactly what year it was built. We do know that the oldest photo that we have of the building is 1907, but it was originally a power plant and it was only a power plant for about 10 years. They kind of consolidated a couple of companies in the area, no longer needed it to be a power producing facility. So they shut down that side of it and they turned it into a ice plant, a large block ice manufacturing facility. And the reason why they did that is at the time, you couldn't get fresh fish out of the area. If you wanted to consume seafood, you had to be at the dock ready to eat at that time. So these guys saw an opportunity to take these large ice blocks, take it right down the road to the fisheries, put the shrimp on top of the ice or the fish or whatever it was, get it on a train car and get it out of the area where more people could consume fish. So that was what the building did for a long time up until about 1958, in 58, 55, wherever they started having commercial refrigeration in people's homes. So they no longer needed these giant ice blocks. So the building effectively became abandoned from the late fifties until the early two thousands. There were some offices in here, there were some light manufacturing stuff that happened, but nothing that really stuck until our founders took a look at the building and they said, that's a great place to bring back manufacturing and do something like a distillery.

Drew H (08:17):
Yeah, you're right in the middle of town too, which is helpful for bringing tourists in and giving them things. So I see a trolley actually comes by here. Is that how most of your people come in or you got kind of a mix?

Richard (08:30):
Absolutely. So as you saw when you came in, we don't have that big of a parking lot. Space is hard to come by in St. Augustine, but the trolleys really do bring a lot of people here. And not only is it a great way to see the city all around us to go on a consolidated tour, but also you have a safe driver there. So if you drink a little too much at the distillery on the tasting or whatever it is, or you go to the ice plant upstairs, you got somebody that can take you right back to your hotel.

Drew H (08:54):
And the ice plant is a restaurant.

Richard (08:57):
Exactly. So we share the building with a bar and restaurant upstairs, the ice plant, they're amazing. We love those guys and they do incredible cocktails. They also serve our spirits up there and their food is to die for.

Drew H (09:10):
So the other thing about this building is that it's on the national Register of Historic places, which means that certain care has to be taken in building into this when trying to devise a tour to go through here and to set up where equipment is going to go and all of that, what were some of the special considerations that had to be taken?

Richard (09:34):
So there were some challenges with that for sure. One of the things that you might've noticed on the production floor are these large steel beams that have girders on top of them, and the bottom half of those beams actually had to be cut out because of flooding that happened in the area. It actually kind of rotted the bottom half of the beams. So one of the efforts that we had to do was actually prop those beams up, cut the bottom half off, put fresh steel on the bottom half, and then weld 'em back together so that the roof and everything above it was stable. That was one of the big things that we had to do. As you saw, there was a rollup door on the side of the building that we converted into a giant window now. So it's a cool place where if you look at it just right, you can say, yeah, I think they used to push pallets out of that, but now it's a nice way just to let the sun in. And then of course, adapting the big double doors that everybody recognized when they come to the distillery too. They used to be a big way that they move all the blocks out. And originally when Phil and Mike got the building that was actually bricked back in, but luckily because it was something that used to be that way, they were able to take the bricks out, put a big double door there, and now that's where we move all of our grains into the building. It's where we move all of our finished product out.

Drew H (10:42):
So what did they have to go through in terms of getting a distillery set up here in terms of the laws and the rest always kind of When did the distillery first come online?

Richard (10:56):
I believe they first had the idea in 2008. The distillery first came online really in 2011 or 2012. It was right around there. It was like a February art March open, but they had been producing some spirit ahead of that. But yeah, it was really quite a long process. But as you mentioned, the state laws were really not kind to distilleries at that time, and now they are. Florida's a great state to establish a distillery, but it seemed like kind of a wild idea. Make products and then sell 'em to people when you can't actually sell them in a gift shop. Kind of seemed like not a great business idea. Mike, one of our other founders, our CFO, he famously says that when Phil brought the idea to him to start a distillery, he said, I'll go and talk this guy out of this. It seems like a bad idea, but here we are almost 12 years later

Drew H (11:49):
And your ownership has actually been big in helping to drive change in the industry, not only just in Florida, but also nationwide.

Richard (11:59):
Exactly. We've been very active in discus, which is the Spirits council, and Phil actually won an award a few years ago for helping discus as a whole. It was the Dave Pickel Memorial Award and he was actually the first person to win it. It's one of our prize things that we show off down there.

Drew H (12:17):
So how do you get Florida brand known outside the state of Florida? This has been a bit of a challenge, I guess, because how far outside of the state are you distributed at this point?

Richard (12:31):
So we have a couple of different routes of distribution with traditional distribution with breakthrough beverage. We're in Florida and Georgia and that's it. And we're really not in Georgia that heavily. We're in a couple of major cities, but that's about it. Getting outside of that has been a real challenge. We work with a third party distributor in Washington DC that allows direct ship to consumers' homes because they have the right to do that in Washington dc but that's not a big part of our business. Honestly, the major part of our business is welcoming people into our building, showing them what we're all about and hopefully sending them home with a bottle. But if not just having that little thing in their mind that says, I like St. Augustine Distillery, next time I see it, I might have a cocktail with that.

Drew H (13:13):
Yeah, there's something I think to going somewhere and trying something and it's not available in your area that builds, for lack of a better term, kind of a romanticism around it. I talk about when I was younger, I lived in Philadelphia for a short period of time, and when I lived there, I would drink Yingling beer. And when I came back to North Carolina, I brought some with me and everybody, every time I'd go back to Pennsylvania would say bring back cases of it.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
And

Drew H (13:44):
So there was this big fascination around it. And then when they bought up a brewery in Tampa and they started bringing it into North Carolina, it's kind of like that all faded a bit, but you're in a tourist state, so you're in a state where people are going to come here to do things and experience things. And so you wonder how much of that mystique has built out there?

Richard (14:10):
Well, hopefully it has. I mean, that's not where we want to be. We want everyone who wants the bottle to have one in their hands. But you know what, if we can't make it that far, we can't produce that much. It feels pretty good to have a legendary status, if I even want to say that.

Drew H (14:25):
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Richard (15:56):
So we were lucky enough to be one of the most toured distilleries in the United States at one point. We had 175,000 people visit here in a year in our peak year, and that's incredible. So we really wanted to lean into that. But we also understand that if we turned around and asked everyone that came in the building to shell out money before they actually got anything, we'd probably turn away about half of those people. And that's not really the business that we're in. We're in the business of introducing ourselves, showing you a product, hoping that you leave with that product. But at the same time, we're very much on the try before you buy model. I can't sit here and tell you our bourbon's great. You should take one home and then in a liquor store or whatever, you just look at it and you go, oh, I like the design. I'm going to take that home. We think that there's another step that we can take here, which is welcoming you into our home and saying, here, try what I have for you. Try this out. Let me tell you about these barrels. Let me show you the stills. And it should create a holistic experience where you feel like you're folded into St. Augustine and you really want to invest in us as much as we want you to come back.

Drew H (16:57):
And there's still a tasting element to it. The other part about it is that sometimes with a free tour they'll walk you around, but I mean, not everybody's buffalo trace that has a whole presentation for you and that sort of thing going on. So what is the experience like for people?

Richard (17:13):
So you get to try five different samples while you're here and even more if you ask for them. So we present all of our spears in cocktail form, as I like to say, we can't have somebody get off the trolley early in the morning. The first thing you hit 'em with is a shot of vodka. They might be like, I don't think I can make it the rest of this tour. So we try all of our spears in a cocktail form throughout the first part of the tour because we think it's a little easier on the palate. It shows you how they can actually be used in real life situations. But then at the very end of the tour, if you want to try any of our spirits neat, you all got to do is ask for them. And we have a lot of different spirits from vodka, gin, rum and bourbon, and you can try anything you want.

Drew H (17:53):
And then in between I could see people just kind of meandering around and looking, but you have in the front room there when you first come in, kind of the history little background on, so there's things to read and things to see as you go through. And then you also get to go into production facility as well.

Richard (18:15):
Exactly. And as you well know, when you showed up this morning, I'll just go on forever and talk to you about everything in this building if you'll let me. So we're really, we like to say we're an open book facility. If there's anything you want to know about the history, if there's anything you want to know about St. Augustine, like where the right place to get dinner tonight is, or whatever, we'll tell you about any of that stuff. We're just happy that you're here and we just want to talk to you.

Drew H (18:38):
And then you do have a paid tour. So what's the difference in the paid tour?

Richard (18:41):
So the paid tour is what we call the Spirit of Florida bourbon experience, and it's really, it's an educational experience. So when you go on the free tour, it's really up to you how much you want to get educated on the free tour. If you want to stop and read every sign, great. But on the other side of it, you don't actually have a tour guide that sits there and says, did you learn about this? Did you know that bourbon has to be 51% or more corn and all this other stuff? In the spirit of bourbon experience, what we do is we sit you down and we tell you about the history of bourbon. We explain production techniques, we explain what makes us different. There's samples of four different bourbons that we make in there to show the differences between them. There's pairings that go into that too, and then there's a part of the tour that goes on the production floor as well, that gives you a hands-on guide on how that process works.

Drew H (19:28):
Then you also do bourbon steward education as well outside of Kentucky. So if people are traveling down this direction, how far can they go with that?

Richard (19:40):
So we have two different experiences. We have the bourbon steward experience, and then we have the executive bourbon steward experience. And we're proud to say that we are actually the only facility outside of Kentucky that offers the executive level, which is really cool. It's a four hour course and there is a test at the end, but I'll tell you a secret, it's actually open book, so you'll be okay. And I promise you, we'll make sure that you pass and have fun.

Drew H (20:03):
Yeah, I was going to say, I've been through it in Kentucky too. And now they will take you back by the stills. Do you wander back by the stills and kind of go through the process there as well?

Richard (20:13):
Yeah, yeah. So we try everyone who takes a tour here to have some component of production because we understand that most people that walk in the building don't understand really what distilled spirits even are. Sometimes I can't tell you how many times a day I get asked what kind of beer we make here or what kind of wine we make here, and that's okay. I don't expect everyone to be an expert when they walk in the door. It's my job to make sure that you're an expert when you walk out the door.

Drew H (20:36):
Yeah,

Richard (20:37):
Yeah.

Drew H (20:38):
So talk about, as we were walking through, you go through and you see what you called the maze of barrels and you had one up there that had a bunch of signatures on it. What's the story behind that one?

Richard (20:52):
So we're very proud to sponsor so much live music in the area through the St. Augustine Amphitheater and other partners. But one of the events that we sponsor every year is called Sing Out Loud, and it's a festival that we do at the St. Francis Field, which is right downtown. And this last year we had 75,000 people show up over a weekend for that event. And one of the things that we love to do to participate is we bring out a fresh barrel every time that we stamp, sing out loud on the outside of it. We have as many of the band members as we can get to sign that barrel, and then we put it at our tent where of course we're doing tastings. And this last year we had a ring toss where you tried to get a ring around one of the bottles and you got prizes if you hit one.

(21:32):
But everyone who participates gets to sign the barrel, and then we actually fill that barrel with bourbon. So as you saw, those barrels are in the maze right now, and the plan is to release them at the sing out loud event. Exactly four years after it was filled. So it'd be a nice way to kind of make one close circle to say, you came and visit us four years ago. Here's another reason to come check on this barrel. Also, you are here, you are a part of this and you are the story of this particular bourbon.

Drew H (21:57):
Yeah. So community is a focus 100%. Yeah.

Richard (22:00):
Yeah.

Drew H (22:01):
You brought out a whiskey. What is this whiskey we're looking at?

Richard (22:04):
So we mentioned the mash bill changes, but I have been making other changes to our system too. So we for the longest time have been using exclusively Minnesota Oak that we get from a Cooper in Kentucky, and we love those guys. They've always treated us super well. Kelvin Cooperage, thank you so much. If you're listening, we've kind of expanded our offerings in the recent past to include a couple of other wood types. And the term that we keep using in house is we're expanding our spice rack.

(22:34):
We know that we make one mash bill. One of the ways that you can kind of differentiate some offerings for the consumers is by using different wood types to create different extractives in those finished products. And the point here, of course, is to kind of push all of our standard products forward, but to be able to design specific finishes for each wood type. So we currently offer a toast, toasted finished bourbon, a port finished bourbon, an old fashioned finished bourbon, all of which are core skews for us. So these wood types will allow me to specifically design and differentiate those products based on how they were originally aged in their first bourbon barrel.

Drew H (23:12):
Okay, yep. The old fashioned will probably cause some people's ears. Old fashioned finished. What does that

Richard (23:19):
Mean? Yeah, so we produce our own old fashioned mix here and we have for many, many years, and we actually age 100% of that old fashioned mix in a bourbon barrel that we just emptied. One of the things that we discovered many, many years ago was that once that old fashioned mix was done aging in that bourbon barrel that we could place that bourbon back in that barrel that had a very light kind of flavoring to the inside of it and finish it for even further and come up with an old fashioned finished bourbon. And it's some of our oldest stock that we have here. It's a beautiful product. It's more for people who enjoy cocktails on a bottle. It has lots of kind of chin, bitter orange, sweet orange, all of these fun things that are in it. So if you're the kind of person who's going to make your bourbon into an old fashioned anyways, this is something where you can pour it straight out of the glass. It's at cast strength, so it's typically one 14 to one 16 and you can just knock it back and it's beautiful. The first sip is a little shocking.

Drew H (24:17):
It

Richard (24:17):
Kind of hits the pallet as all cast strength bourbon does. But on that second hit, my God, it's so sweet and so beautiful.

Drew H (24:24):
So it's called the Saint.

Richard (24:25):
It's called the Saint.

Drew H (24:26):
And so what's the story behind the name?

Richard (24:28):
It was really just a nice way to wrap in the community. St. Augustine we're all about identity of location, so we were thinking about what we should name that product, and it really just dawned on us one day, let's just call it the saint, and then maybe one day we'll get fancy and come up with an answer to it and call it the center. We'll see.

Drew H (24:49):
That's when the barrel goes bad.

Richard (24:50):
Exactly.

Drew H (24:50):
You call that the center. Nice. Very good. So you come from a little bit west of here, but once, if you are talking to people back home and saying come to St. Augustine besides coming to Distillery to visit you, what would be something that you would point to them to do? Because there's a big tourist area. I've noticed as I drove in, there's plenty of billboards around kind of pointing you in the direction. What would be the thing that you would point out that somebody should definitely do when they come to St. Augustine?

Richard (25:25):
Oh my gosh, the list is so long. The first thing I would tell them to do is to go to a show at the amphitheater. It's a beautiful experience. I believe it's about a 4,000 person, sorry, amphitheater and we have tons of great shows there and the production value is high. It's just a great space, really nothing like it in the area, so go to a show there. Secondly, I absolutely love the alligator farm. It's really cool. It's basically a small zoo, but they have a slot there. They have all kind of really cool things that you don't get to see a lot. So go there and support those guys. Of course, take a walk down St. George Street, visit the other distillery in town, Citygate spirits, we love those guys. Stop into the Colonial Oak. They have live music there all the time. It's a beautiful small venue and they have lots of great restaurants around it. You should definitely go eat at Llama, which is a Peruvian restaurant that's just over the bridge on the island. The owners there. Fantastic. Extremely authentic, very small restaurant, but my God, it's so good. And then of course we love our neighbors upstairs, the ice plant and the Floridian as well is a really great restaurant. So if you're here and you're looking for kind of Americana, like a mix of everything,

(26:36):
You got to go to the Floridian while you're here.

Drew H (26:37):
Okay. And you actually have a winery that's right next door as well.

Richard (26:42):
That's right. If you're not interested in bourbon and you want something a little lighter, you got to go to the San Sebastian winery. They're right around the corner. Great partners of ours. We actually age our port finished bourbon in their port barrels. We do an exchange with them every year. So yeah, if you're in the area and our spirits seem a little too rough for you, go try some wine next door.

Drew H (27:01):
Very nice. Richard, thank you so much for walking me around this morning and giving me the tour. You got here early when he says you got here at four 30 in the morning and I thought I got my days started off early, but that's something. So you're midday, you're about ready for lunch or maybe even dinner.

Richard (27:19):
Yeah. Hey, you know the stills aren't going to serve themselves.

Drew H (27:22):
That's true. That is true. Well, thank you so much and definitely a beautiful facility here. A lot of history in it and it's hard to describe. It's one of those you really do need to come see, so

Richard (27:35):
Please do

Drew H (27:35):
Come

Richard (27:36):
See me. Cheers. Alright, cheers.

Drew H (27:39):
I hope you enjoyed this visit. The distillery number 10 on the whiskey lore. Whiskey flights, great 48 tour of America's great craft distilleries. And if I piqued your interest in visiting St. Augustine Distillery, make sure to head to whiskey lore.com/flights where you can view the profile of this distillery. Sign up for a free account and then add this or any of the other 600 distilleries on the site to your very own personalized whiskey lore wishlist. Then when you're ready to travel, all you have to do is use the site's convenient planning tools, maps, tour dates, booking links, and more to create the perfect distillery itinerary. Start your journey@whiskeylore.com slash flights as we pack up and get ready to head north to Atlanta for our next distillery destination. If you're still on the fence about visiting St. Augustine Distillery, let me give you my three reasons why I think you should have this distillery on your whiskey lore wishlist.

(28:37):
First, how many distilleries offer a try it before you buy it. Sure, there is buffalo trace, but most of the rest don't allow you to have free access to view and learn about the distillery as well. Second, the spirit of innovation is here, and Richard and I talk more about it during our extended Patreon episode, but their use of pot stills brings a wonderful mouthfeel to their whiskeys. It's what I describe as caramel coating that puts the long in long finishes. Third, there's so much to do around St. Augustine that you can hop on the trolley, enjoy a tour at the distillery, have some whiskeys, hang around, have some cocktails, enjoy the winery next door and not have to worry one bit about getting behind the wheel. I hope you enjoyed this visit to St. Augustine Distillery. We're going to head back home for a couple of days and then get back on the road.

(29:36):
Go down to a distillery for a revisit. It's a distillery that also makes amazing use of pot stills. We're going to get a masterclass in the marriage between the Scottish style of distilling and the creation of American Spirits on the pot, still at a SW in Atlanta. Make sure you get your ticket to ride along by smashing that subscribe button on your favorite podcast app. I'm your travel guide Drew Hanish. And until next time, cheers and Slava for transcripts and travel information, including maps, distillery planning information and more. Head to whiskey-lo.com/flights. Whiskey laws of production of travel fuels life LLC.